On the Diane Rehm Show this morning, there was an extensive discussion about the upcoming Copenhagen climate change conference. Guests were Center for American Progress President John Podesta, Wall Street Journal Reporter Stephen Power, American Enterprise Institute Resident Scholar Kenneth Green, and Penn State University Earth Systems Science Center Director Michael Mann. I thought the entire discussion was fascinating, but I particularly enjoyed Michael Mann's demolition of the ridiculous, idiotic "climategate" controversy. Here's the real story:It's important to understand here that the timing of this event is rather suspect. We're one week away from this historic summit in Copenhagen, where leaders from around the world will be meeting to discuss how to combat the threat of human-caused climate change. And going into that meeting, there's a very robust consensus among the world's scientists that the problem is real and there's something that we need to do about it.So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen, the real story of the phony, slimy "climate email scandal". Now, as Diane Rehm said, let's move on and "talk more substantively about the conference." Or, as Gawker writes, "we're sorry that someone is scolding grown-ups for polluting the planet, but, you know, it really can't be argued that that is anyone else's fault."
Now there is, of course, a group of people and there are special interests who do not want to see any progress made at this summit. And frankly, they don't have the science on their side. The science behind human-caused climate change is quite solid. The National Academy of Science in the U.S. has weighed in on this...there is in fact a consensus behind the reality of climate change. So, the other side doesn't have the science on their side, and instead they've engaged frankly in what I believe is a smear campaign; stolen emails, taken out of context, mined for single words or phrases that can be twisted and taken out of context, in many cases to completely misrepresent the context of what was being discussed.
...let me stress again that there is nothing in any of these emails that in an way calls into question the consensus of the world's scientists that the problem of climate change is real and that we need to do something to confront it. So my hope is that people will see through this fairly thinly disguised smear campaign and recognize that in no way does anything in any of these emails call into question the validity of the science behind human-caused climate change.
P.S. By the way, it's worth emphasizing that Professor Mann is an actual climatologist, author of more than 80 peer-reviewed journal publications. In other words, a real expert on the subject. What a concept! :)
P.P.S. Please be aware that global warming deniers' comments on this blog are subject to immediate deletion, as they are: a) lies; b) completely uninteresting; and c) wasting everyone's time.



Good science does not include manipulating the presentation of data or the dumping of original data.
ReplyDeleteBrian: If you listen to the discussion on Diane Rehm, you will hear the answer on these points. The bottom line is that there's "no there there." The evidence for anthropogenic climate change is overwhelming, vast, varied, and also just plain commonsense (sure, we can pour billions of tons per year of CO2 into the atmosphere and NOTHING happens...riiiight).
ReplyDeleteWhat Brian really means:
ReplyDelete"Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up!"
Lowell, one point: perhaps science is no longer as hard (as opposed to soft) a discipline, but never was "consensus" of opinion a portion of proving hypotheses.
ReplyDeleteThere can and should be consensus among research teams on how to proceed with attempts to prove, but hypotheses don't become theory or law through consensus of opinion.
I believe that is why so many are upset over the deletion of the original data.
Delete this if you wish, as it is your blog, but the heavy emphasis on consensus in the absence of the original data (as opposed to the "value added" data created by the CRU) is disturbing in light of what scientific discipline used to mean, when peer review included access to original data and the ability to reproduce results independently.
Global warming deniers want to talk about everything but the actual temperature record. Emails! Al Gore's house! Sunspots!
ReplyDeleteI am going to post that there is general agreement within the scientific community that our little blue ball spends more time in ice ages then it does more temperate times like we now experience.
ReplyDeleteI do not think there is a consensus viewpoint on why this is so, as there is many disagreeing opinions. But the consensus agreement amongst the scientists is for more periods of ice age then not.
Miles, that's my concern--the raw data of the actual temperature records has been deleted.
ReplyDeleteSeems that Penn State is investigating Mr. Mann. What's up with that?
ReplyDeleteMaybe it would be good to re-collect the lost data and perform analysis on those original numbers before making any decisions on AGW. Lot's of folks thought Bernie Madoff was a nice man and they trusted him with their money. It's all gone now.
It should only take a few months to gather the lost data and use computers to analyze it. We can wait a few weeks or months to make sure the numbers are correct and everyone has a chance to review it. Then, we can all move forward. What's wrong with that?
The head of Hadley CRU has stepped aside during an investigation as well.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, down under:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_re_as/climate_australia
A rush to Copenhagen might benefit from a bit of the Babe's suggested moderation.